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Post by BakaBaka on Oct 7, 2004 18:29:53 GMT -5
simply put dio, people telling them that to question is not to believe. I M H O
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Post by Sephiroth Kaizen on Oct 7, 2004 20:01:14 GMT -5
[glow=blue,4,300]Now, you are really trying my patience. Yes, assholes do exist, you are absolutely right. And I think you are one of them. [/glow]
[glow=blue,4,300]Okay, now that you've wasted space stating the obvious, how about you do something else like notice that I was stating my opinion. Also, thank for also stating that I am not a specialist of history, psychology and anthropology, you are definitely right, I am not. But I am knowledgable in what I speak about. I wouldn't have spent the time responding to your post if I didn't have anything to add. And considering the fact that you made an assumption on the Spanish Inquisition and I was nice enough to correct you and back up my statement with several references, wouldn't that make me more knowledgeable than you on that one subject? Okay then.
Perhaps you don't know right from wrong, but with values I've been raised with, I will believe that what I said is right until someone comes up with a VALID AND GOOD EXPLANATION AS TO WHY I AM WRONG. If you think I'm wrong, state your reasons, and if I still disagree, then you'll have to accept that.
Ask ST, D1OP, Auraki and Mori: I will openly admit I was wrong if someone proves it. So far, you have not done that.
As far as I'm concerned, your halfass excuses don't sway me to believe that everything you said was simply out of laziness. If you didn't mean to offend anyone, you would have said, "No offense" or something similar to that.
And for my tone/attitude, when you attempt to offend my friends (indirectly by bashing them or their beliefs) or me, I feel it is my responsiblity to defend them against the self-pronounced assholes.
And just for your info... an opinion is neither right or wrong. My previous statements were opinions. Remember that. And from now on, you can say whatever you want, but I will not waste anymore time entertaining you.[/glow]
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"With the ancient is wisdom, and in lengths of days is understanding."
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Post by Mori'Quessir on Oct 7, 2004 20:01:42 GMT -5
Whoa! This is very interesting. Hmm.. let me see. I know i'm new to the whole posting thing. And wow... this religion topic seems to be on fire tonight. Let me say... first that I see both sides. Alot of history that i won't go into.. but I was athiest up until a couple of years ago. I understand both sides and agree with both sides. I also agree with a little of something from every religion. I'm not a set cookie cutter religion. I know that some say Christians are arrogant, and others say Athiests are arrogant. Well.. both are true, and both are false. We can't necessarily put everyone into one group. There are always people that are ready to argue and start a fight. And maybe some of us have only met the bad ones. Which we can clearly see, because we have all experienced one or the other. And.. WHOA.. no ones and asshole! Well some people definitely are.. lol. But i think that since, everyone here obviously has enough umph to talk about this, that they have a flame somewhere in them that intriques them on this subject. So .. no one in here is an asshole. Unless.. they insult other people that are only posting what they believe. And finally,... what things do people find interesting about other religions? I find the Indian religion with the dancing and decoration super interesting. Plus.. i love Buddha. I wanted to be Buddhist! Indians.. so very intune with nature, and that is just remarkable to see. The Nation of Islam.. they are so devoted that they pray at least 3 times a day. I just find religion super fascinating. I would like to take a course on all the different ones and what they believe. And yes... i'm trying to lighten the tense mood. Icebreaker! Huggs to all! And SK.. would definitely admit if she was wrong.. just to put that out there. Smile!
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Post by darkoneofpower on Oct 7, 2004 20:03:14 GMT -5
though I realize the error in my sentence structure (as in the placing of my sentneces, though I had hoped you could relate it but seeing as how most of what I write doesn't make sense to a lot of people I will explain and add a few additional things on a normal level), Pimpmaster, I only commented on the use of "you" in your statement back to Sephiroth Kaizen. I wrote, in reference to what you said
back to what I said before about being rude in the first post you had made that your error was the same as what I had stated before. To put it simply, your response to Sephiroth was uncalled for, even though it was not as harsh as the first post you put up (again with the Right speech). Also, depending on where you are religion is a touchy subject, as I am in the deep south, if you were where I was you'd understand (seeing as our generation does not have control over society just yet so religion is still a touchy issue). To some, stating religion as you had, is a personal attack to them, as you see the responses from atheists posted under this topic in response to such statements as and That was directed at most and not some (in either case word choice was an issue) weather you meant it or not, even though you are not calling all atheists out. Yet after stating that, you do call everyone out at the end, and I quote again As I said before, there was only an error in your speech. Forgive my spelling mistakes. That was all, nothing more. It is my fault for not stating it more clearly, and again my fault for my unusual habbit of writing in such a way as to make it unclear.
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Post by darkoneofpower on Oct 7, 2004 20:06:08 GMT -5
Um... to sum up what I had said in the last post, I am agreeing with Mori'Quessir.
Sorry, I didn't notice the other post before the last one
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Post by darkoneofpower on Oct 7, 2004 20:07:54 GMT -5
Yeah, yeah, I'm slow, but also Sephiroth would tell admit if she was wrong.
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Post by GoGoCactusMan on Oct 7, 2004 20:12:11 GMT -5
w00t! Go Mori!!!
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Post by Mori'Quessir on Oct 7, 2004 20:25:04 GMT -5
Hello all again! Oh.. just re-read over some quotes.. and someone said.. not mentioning names.. that Atheists were arrogant.. (i already covered that earlier),.. but also that someone pushed their religion and said that the rest of us are running around like headless chickens. What the heck is up with that??? O.K. first of all.. being that i was athiest for a VERY long time... i know for a fact that MOST athiests tend to not talk about religion. I personally kept it to myself.. i lived in the south (The baptist bible belt).. and they would argue with you till the pigs could fly... meaning that they still do. But.. i do mean that MOST athiests believe what they believe and don't normally just spur of the moment say.. hey are u christian or ...[insert religion here].. cus' i'm athiest and i think ur wrong! NO NO NO! Being athiest is just in lame terms.. a different religion. It's the belief that there is no god. You create your own destiny. And afterwards your worms meat. Simply put. Athiests.. most tend to worry about death because they can't cope with the reality of being worms meat. Much counseling for me to be able to sleep after that realization. So.... for athiests to come out and say.. hey lets argue over something that has two sides to it,,... and can be viewed either way.. is in itself DUMB. And there will ALWAYS be that one arrogant rude person from that one religion. But you shouldn't go around making rude comments about all the other religions in general. I mean.. talk about a hypocrite. Wowsers.. I believe that all religions.. no matter how u view it... are all just different paths to the same warm ending light. I know that not all people will agree with me. But.. i will never criticize another religion for what they believe.. or telling people that what they believe is wrong. Oh my... i think i've said enough. I'm going to go make some ramen noodles.. and contemplate the cosmos... Any questions.. Didn't think so! lol! Now.. lets talk about the kewl things from each religion. Has anyone read the Rig Vedas.. how interesting is that?? Definitely worth a look over. Have a good night everyone. Huggs! P.P.S. I sure hope i didn't offend anyone. But if i did.. i am sorry.. tell me.. and i'll correct it or re-state in a less blunt manner, and apologize.
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Post by Ancient Goddess on Oct 7, 2004 20:37:29 GMT -5
Okay....this has gone on long enough...I'm calling the whistle. I don't want to be too much of a stickler for rules, but let me just remind you of them: 3.) Heated debates should be taken to PMs or IM's. Try to include every member in the topic and do not center it around your argument. Failure to follow this rule will result in a warning for both involved members. If either SK or Pimpmaster have some more heated words to say to each other, PM them to each other, please. This is not an official warning, since I don't believe that this was intentional. But please try to include everyone in the conversation. You two are isolating yourselves from the original topic and going off arguing with each other. While debates are very much allowed here, you aren't allowing many people to comment on your statements. Please keep your posts in here general, so everyone is included. Man...the hostility in this thread! Sheesh.
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Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on Oct 7, 2004 21:08:23 GMT -5
I guess you guys didn`t see the humor in that then, no? He he, whatever.
This is hardly necessary is it? I`m not deliberately trying to annoy you, I`m just stating what I believe and what I see, how I see it. No need to get a temper.
Meh, believe what you will.
OK, how did I do this? I think I missed this part. I didn`t attempt to offend your friends at all. If you mean indirectly meaning unwittingly, then maybe I offended them, without attempting to. I don`t know you or your friends, so why would I attempt to offend them? I just came in here stating an opinion and people start flipping out ;D
Yeah, I missed this completely. Maybe I didn`t read it at all, but I saw you say something about torture, but that was hardly several referances. But whatever.
It`s not that I think you`re wrong. I just believe that you can`t believe that you`re right. I don`t think anybody can believe that they`re right if the answer is not definate. Right and wrong is reletive. Also, I was saying that you typed as if your beliefs are fact, and since I haven`t proven you wrong, I suppose they are. Anyway, these two quotes conflict. But whatever.
I like this, and I agree totally. I think I said something simelar in my 2nd or 3rd post.
To D1OP... he he, I have nothing to say to you. You`re pretty much right the way I see it ;D I still don`t see what I said in my first reply that was insulting though... Ah well.
To Mori... I agree with your posts, he he, you didn`t offend anyone ;D I was being a blatant hypocrite, but it was a joke. C`mon, what person of sense would really say that they`re religion is the best after saying that atheists are assholes for doing the exact same thing? ;D
As entertaining as this is, I don`t view this as a sick joke. I see it as a chance to widen perspectives. Granted, yes, mine probably won`t widen as much as I hope everybody elses to. We all think we`re just a little bit more likely to be right than the rest, he he. Like I said, I`m not trying to get on anyones nerves nor am I trying to offend anyone; I`m just calling it how I see it. Those who were offended by my unintentional verbal 'attack' must realise that people DO have different points of view and some of them you will not agree with. Some people will offend you. Racism, sexism, etc. I hate to say it, but it happens and that`s life. The way I type may seem a little blunt, but that`s the way I write. What can you do eh? (I suppose I should clear up that 'you' meaning the universal, hypothetical 'you')
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Post by GoGoCactusMan on Oct 7, 2004 21:26:24 GMT -5
I thought she put references...0_0
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Post by BakaBaka on Oct 7, 2004 21:33:20 GMT -5
Am to agree with Admin here. Calm down and talk else where, I see flames arising. Otherwise el mod stick will be placed on yeh and topic will be locked. Also, please don't be insulted by Kage in any way. He's just a teddy bear inside.
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Post by darkoneofpower on Oct 7, 2004 21:56:31 GMT -5
It is said"'Anger, drunkenness, obstiancy, bigotry, deception, envy, self-praise, disparaging others, superciliousness, and evil intentions constistude uncleanness.... the middle path... keeps aloof from both extremes."
also "Buddhism stresses the interconnectedness of all life. It is only the limited capacity of our senses that causes us to place so much stock in the seperation between "them" and "us". Because of this interconnectedness, by using violence, you not only injure or destroy the other person but also yourself..." which is violence in all ways that is. Violence is violence. Friendliness and compassion are important. And
Right Views Right Intent Right Seech Right Conduct Right Livelihood Right Effort Right Mindfulness Right Concentration
...the eight fold path. Please be more careful in what you say and do and how you treat those who are against you. Violence as you know only brings voilence, in the end you are only making your self more unhappy.
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Post by Sephiroth Kaizen on Oct 7, 2004 22:19:10 GMT -5
[glow=blue,4,300]If he was Buddhist, I think he would already know that. I like to think of myself aloof at times. It's what keeps people from making me angry even though sometimes, it just can't be helped. I should check that out sometime and try to channel that energy into something good besides homework and the gym. Even though I make it a point to avoid people...[/glow]
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Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on Oct 7, 2004 22:43:47 GMT -5
Gah! Stop with the insessant digs please! My god! Like I said, I know this. Infact, I have a poster with those very phrases on my wall, that I see everyday. You know why? Well, I said it before; I`m not exactly the perfect practitioner. Sue me people. You know, I think you`ll find that most people don`t adhere strictly to the book and it`s suggested ways of conduct in any religion. Heh.
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