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Post by auraki on Oct 7, 2004 22:46:10 GMT -5
Golly Gee. Like I always say, Politics and Relgion are pointless to argue because everybody thinks they are right. Yet another one of my favorite sayings is "Let's agree to disagree." And for my finale, I say screaming at the top of my very lungs, "VIVA LA FRANCE!"
I think this topic has raised the issues it needed to. Suffice to say, some people feel very strongly about their beliefs. It at all possible, maybe we can be a little less harsh in the conveyence of our opinions, and respect the fact that not everyone agrees. I would hate to see this thread closed because it got too heated, because I am sure there are other people who haven't yet discovered this thread who would like to weigh in a comment or two. Just....play nice? Is it possible?
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Post by Sephiroth Kaizen on Oct 7, 2004 22:51:11 GMT -5
[glow=blue,4,300]Auraki... um... play nice? In what sense? My idea of playing nice is a quick kick to the shin and running away... or setting someone on fire when they insist on helping me light things on fire... j/k And if I seemed harsh in my opinions, then I got my point across. [/glow]
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Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on Oct 8, 2004 9:45:52 GMT -5
He he he, I wish I could let this thread die, I really do. But I can`t. What was your point? About the Spanish Inquisition...? I missed your referances. Maybe we should go back and start the whole conversation over again... As reluctant as I am to let go of the other obviously confusing issues, I`m willing to lay it to rest to try and understand your argument.
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Post by Sephiroth Kaizen on Oct 8, 2004 10:16:22 GMT -5
[glow=blue,4,300]At the bottom of one of my posts, I put the links to four different sites that had info on the Spanish Inquisition. Those were my references. And my point of using the Spanish Inquisition is to show you that Christians can be rather hostile and extreme with their beliefs. When members of a religion take the "convert or die" approach or have the attitude of "you're going to hell because you don't believe in God" wouldn't you consider them the stuck up/assholes over the Atheists? I've never met an atheist that tried to make me believe there is no God. I've met self-proclaimed Christians who will twist the Word around to try and validate their actions. When someone can be as arrogant to take what is believed to be a holy text and twist it for their own purposes, they've taken on the holier than thou attitude. So in conclusion, you say many of the atheists you've met (and still know) were/are assholes. I say, the Atheists I've met are some of the nicest people I know and it's many of the Christians that are assholes. I'm glad I could clear that up for you. Hopefully, now you understand.[/glow]
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Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on Oct 8, 2004 10:57:00 GMT -5
Ok, I didn`t see those referances.
I said that Atheists are assholes. everybody else replied saying that the atheists they know are not assholes. So I said that not all Atheists are assholes because you can`t judge a whole group of people so casually. (This was where I said the debate should end, although I was wrong to say that because others might have a say. Whatever). I think you said something like Christians are more likely to be stuck up than Atheists, which I disputed, since we basicly established that people can`t really be spoken of so generally. And frankly I still stand by this regardless. Because not every Christian in the world is Catholic are they? Not every Christian agrees with the Spanish Inquisition. No ma'am. Cause not every Christian shares all the same beliefs.
(Not one Christian I`ve ever met would agree with purging the earth of non believers in such a way. They`re not doing that now, so why would we confuse the Christian beliefs of today with those from god knows when ago? Sure there might be a little of that sentiment left over, but going back, that`s hardly enough to convince me that Christians are more likely to be stuck up than Atheists). I thought I`d put that in a bubble, because I don`t believe it`s completely to the point, but it`s worthwhile being there, so maybe you can understand what I`m saying.
As for this, what religion doesn`t do that? It`s not even arrogance when they all do it. You`re talking about twisting the texts to justify their actions, which is pretty much what most religions do in my opinion. Sure, they do this more than an Atheist would, but I don`t see how you make the jump from falsely justifying their means to having a holier than thou attitude.
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Post by darkoneofpower on Oct 8, 2004 10:59:24 GMT -5
This will be the last time I post in here. You started the thread you take what you have given out to others. It is what you deserve, you knew what would happen if you started this conversation. You should not regret what you have started. As for this:
I am insulted to think that you believe I am ignorant, and stupid, and for this you do not respect me. I have stated general facts, nothing to cut you down, nothing to say that you are not a follower, I only put it there to remind to respect the other that you are talking to and to tone down that ass hole tone you have taken up when responding to certain people in here. I am sorry to say that I am also not perfect in Buddhism just for the fact that I am responding to you in this manner. I don't know about you but I'm seeking truth. Please refrain from correcting me before you think about what I have said the first time to see the truth behind my words and not what your ignorance tells you.
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Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on Oct 8, 2004 11:15:47 GMT -5
What are you talking about??? Gah. Jeez. OK...
What you quoted is in response to this.
As for this...
...this...
...this...
...and this...
... well, I`m not even going to bother. Basicly... wha?, wha? wha? and what the hell! I used no such tone without provocation pal. Overall, regarding those quotes, I`m just confused.
On a lighter note though, minus that last asshole tone response, I agree with this -
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Post by auraki on Oct 8, 2004 12:03:55 GMT -5
Okay, I really hope this deeply seeded hate and loathing you all have for each other won't leave this thread. Religion is ALWAYS a touchy subject; this is why people have been persecuted and killed in the name of what they believe.
I have a suggestion. From now on, let's try not to take what other's say to heart. Maybe we can simply state what we believe and not try to prove each other wrong. I think it will make for a more harmonious environment. Anyway, just a suggestion.
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Post by Ancient Goddess on Oct 8, 2004 12:25:57 GMT -5
[trumpet fanfare] *jumps in with bright red cape* Administrator to the rescue! Allow me to take this in another direction to get this back on track.
...Let's not get this thread closed, please?
I think almost every religion is based on each other. The oldest religion that was created may have been the frame of all the ones out today. Through word of mouth, ideas get spread and religion gets spread as well. How else would we have so many ideas out here now?
Atheist beliefs are influnced by religion, also. Even if they don't believe in a god, they would have to do some research on Christianity to draw conclusions. Even if a chosen few act 'superior' with their knowledge, I still say it's another religion as well. But that's my opinion.
Discuss...and no more of this mud-slinging!
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Post by Sephiroth Kaizen on Oct 8, 2004 13:53:40 GMT -5
[glow=blue,4,300]I don't hate him. I hate the comments he made, and I don't know him well enough to hate him. Unfortunately, I wasted my time in this thread, I could have been doing something more important, like eating. Anyway, I'm going to follow directions and just leave this thread alone.[/glow]
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Post by Grimoire on Oct 9, 2004 11:28:45 GMT -5
Sephiroth Kaizen, I dont think ST was saying "Dont post here anymore!" Rather I think she was saying, get away from bashing.
Myself, I can understand that as my entire family is of a religion that is not well accepted, About got me expelled from school. In light of that, I studied theology for a good 7 years, you know what I found? Religion is based on ONE thing. Belief. Simple right?
Christains, Athiests, Pagan, Muslim...all of em say the same thing. Theres a higher power. They just have different names. God, Allah, Zues, whatever, its all belief though, you BELIEVE it is there, and therefore it is.
Christians, as far as I know, are the only religion (as a whole) that will say another religion is wrong. But the Penecostles will adimatly recruit other people for thier faith. Those people are the most devout people Ive ever seen, Ive got great respect for them. But mainly, If you have a god, so does the guy across the street, just called something else.
Holy water, potion, same thing. A fluid that is believed to hold power over something.
Priest, Witch, Same thing. Someone to lead the faith.
Bible, GrandGrimware, Same thing. Writing of the faith from the start.
See the point. All of you are arguing over what you beliefe, what you know to be true. No one can be right and wrong there. Unless your talking to a christian, then were all going to hell anyway....See you there.
Myself, Im Pagan, born and raised. I believe in so many things, its not even funny, but I will never say "Your Wrong." I will say "Thats interesting, Tell me more"
Religious discussions should be about understanding and learning, not right and wrong, thats dumb. Learn about another religion and respect it because its someones life and dreams. Its who they are. Respect that.
But hey, thats just me talkin here.
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Post by GoGoCactusMan on Oct 12, 2004 21:29:18 GMT -5
^_^ I agree with you except for the part... As an "atheist" I really do not belive in a "higher power" I belive that there's a scientific explanation for all of this, I cannot bring myself to belive that we were "created" with the care and love everyone preaches. I make my own destiny, I don't belive my life is preordained, I belive in myself and others, I belive in most scientific explanations of how this planet and the people on it came to be. People say that when people love, that it's God's will and it's God's love. But I think that that's just religion trying to take the credit for something that should be acredited to that individual, people should love for their own reasons, not somebody elses.
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DigitalFire
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Dance the forbidden dance Aya-chan
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Post by DigitalFire on Oct 14, 2004 11:07:01 GMT -5
Religion starts wars That should be enough incentive to be an atheist there. Not only that, but how could you really believe in something that you can't see/feel/smell/taste? This applying for anything that would come into question that people put their "faith" in. On the other hand I have no people who go are mono/polytheistic. If they want to believe in a diety/s then more power to them
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Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on Oct 14, 2004 18:07:45 GMT -5
I heard somewhere something like "Only the faithful understand faith". Something like that... Maybe you don`t know what`s up because you don`t believe. It seems rather paradoxical doesn`t it? If you believe, then you do, but if you don`t, you don`t. It`s like a problem that isn`t a problem. Like, if you don`t have any money, you`re broke unless you do.
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Mori'Quessir
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"With the ancient is wisdom, and in lengths of days is understanding."
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Post by Mori'Quessir on Oct 15, 2004 9:54:45 GMT -5
Do on to others as you would have them do unto you.
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