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Karma
Dec 23, 2004 8:44:33 GMT -5
Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on Dec 23, 2004 8:44:33 GMT -5
What does everybody think of Karma?
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Karma
Dec 23, 2004 15:42:14 GMT -5
Post by animascura on Dec 23, 2004 15:42:14 GMT -5
Bad carmen can be a bitch....its been a bitch to me for quite sometime....and its usually someone elses bad carmen.......she works very selectively....selecting me particularly... o.o
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Karma
Dec 24, 2004 9:04:18 GMT -5
Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on Dec 24, 2004 9:04:18 GMT -5
I don`t believe I deserve my bad Karma. I`ve done nothing wrong. And I believe I am a microcosm of the world in this way (And by the world, I mean each of it`s individual inhabitants, not the world as one being). For that I don`t believe in Karma.
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DigitalFire
Jounin
Dance the forbidden dance Aya-chan
Posts: 177
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Karma
Dec 26, 2004 8:21:31 GMT -5
Post by DigitalFire on Dec 26, 2004 8:21:31 GMT -5
/me lols @ karma
there's cause and effect, and that's about it.
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Karma
Dec 28, 2004 17:35:57 GMT -5
Post by Grimoire on Dec 28, 2004 17:35:57 GMT -5
Karma Three Fold Law Cause and Effect
They all mean the same thing. You do something, either good or bad, and something comes back to you. Either good or bad.
Whats the point? To make you do good? Or to make you do bad? Can you Manipulate Karma? If you want something bad do you have to do bad? And if for a purpose you do something bad, like tell a lie (No, really it makes it look smaller honey!) is it counted as good if its for a good cause?
Karma and Three Fold Law and all else that sounds like those are too confusing for me. My religion has the TFL and I follow it to the best I can. Meaning, I dont break morals and I dont INTEND to do bad. Have things come back on me? Yes and No. Some would call the coincedence, I call it shit. Either way, theres a logical explination for it all.
Lady lucks a bitch and she hates me.
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Karma
Jan 20, 2005 13:02:08 GMT -5
Post by Sephiroth Kaizen on Jan 20, 2005 13:02:08 GMT -5
[glow=blue,4,300]I don't know if you can manipulate karma. If that's what you call making good out of something bad then maybe that is manipulating karma. If you're doing something inappropriate and wrong you can't fool yourself into thinking it's right and expecting good to come from it. LOL.
I think overall, the theory of karma is fairly accurate. A lot of people focus on 'if you do good, good will come back to you' and expect the return to come immediately. Sometimes that return comes two hours, three days, three years after you've done something good. And the same goes with the negative things you've done. [/glow]
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Mori'Quessir
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"With the ancient is wisdom, and in lengths of days is understanding."
Posts: 186
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Karma
Jan 22, 2005 15:27:00 GMT -5
Post by Mori'Quessir on Jan 22, 2005 15:27:00 GMT -5
SK is right.. karma comes back around when it does.. u'll never know which karma act was for which.. but it will come. And Pimp... hang in there with the bad karma.. cus only good can come out of it. It has to end sometime.. right??
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Karma
Jan 26, 2005 13:05:58 GMT -5
Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on Jan 26, 2005 13:05:58 GMT -5
Well... no. It doesn`t have to end. And for a lot of people it doesn`t until they`re dead. That`s why karma licks balls. But thank you for your condolances ;D
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Karma
Jan 31, 2005 23:18:22 GMT -5
Post by Makku on Jan 31, 2005 23:18:22 GMT -5
Kage, I've already told you.
Karma and I are on very intimate terms. She's my bitch, you might say.
When you don't submit to my will, I sick Karma on you. o.o
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Karma
Feb 1, 2005 13:55:42 GMT -5
Post by Colour of Art on Feb 1, 2005 13:55:42 GMT -5
In theory, karma is the combined effect of a person's life actions...traditionally the buddhist/hindu principles of karma, as many of you have stated, can be seen in all aspects of understanding and reality....
when evaluating one's karma or the reasons for someone's life, it is important to understand the inability to account for nonphysical actions. thoughts, prayers, state of spirit, etc etc all are powerful real actions that go into the world and affect the world environment, so by not doing bad or not doing good, that does not neccessarily mean you produce good karma. the lack of work, the lack of fulfilling potential, the lack of spiritual development can work collaboratively to produce a negative karma. Karma is the result of the holistic person, and therefore affects the holistic person, it allows one to view the positive ordering of the universe, (b4 and after death) karma holds a solid case because what happens in the now can in turn be explained in the thereafter.....
so if this is agreed upon, who really knows how to evaluate their karma but by what happens. You cant explain by looking at your own actions but by what happens. if somethin happens that u dont enjoy, either a) it was better than what coulda happened b) it allows for a transitional state in the nonphysical c) it prepares u for tomorrow or d) you deserved it and need to evaluate you physical and nonphysical actions
in closing.... LIVE---> deal with it, figure it out, and keep chuggin!
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Karma
Feb 1, 2005 21:23:54 GMT -5
Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on Feb 1, 2005 21:23:54 GMT -5
I don`t see how through what you say Karma holds a solid case.
Also, I don`t believe people in things such as the dying individuals in the Africa AIDS epidemic could have had something worse happen. All of them at the same time? Infact, that goes for all the people with bad karma. What if your bad event lasts for years? What event could be worse than prolonged suffering? What bullet did they dodge? The good guy in Iraq who got hit by flying shrapnel or rolled over a landmine. 9/11. The Tsunami. Are they transitioning, being prepared for tomorrow or deserve it? Bad Karma catches the innocent, pure and holistic.
Strangely enough though, my closing mirrors yours. The hop scotching of Karmas feet randomly across the planet leave us all suseptable to (percievably) good or bad events. We will get punched, so roll with the punches I guess. Of course, it`s easier said than done.
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Feb 1, 2005 23:41:11 GMT -5
Post by Makku on Feb 1, 2005 23:41:11 GMT -5
But to be serious for a moment-- I believe in coincidence, but not neccesarily Karma.
The notion of Karma is almost likenable to the myth that there is a big, faceless, invisible father figure in the sky, watching everything that everyone does, shaking his finger at us from thousands of years ago. *shrugs*
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Karma
Feb 2, 2005 0:43:37 GMT -5
Post by Ancient Goddess on Feb 2, 2005 0:43:37 GMT -5
Well, karma for me doesn't come to me as spiritually as it may come to others. I kind of believe it in a different form, really, at least as a Christian. To me, karma in general seems automatic, when I believe that God will deliver the punishment or rewards as needed and necessary. Practically the same effect as karma, but in a different perspective.
Now, I remember reading somewhere that karma can be carried over from past lives (assuming one believes in the theory of reincarnation). I'm not sure what I think of that, since there aren't many people (if any) would remember what happened in their previous life and what they did to receive the bad karma. But this is speaking from a point of view that comes from the belief in God and divine punishment...and I would think God is fair enough to want you to know what you did to receive that particular punishment.
Ah well....karma itself doesn't take too much of a direct spot in my life as of now, so I'm sure others feel a little more strongly about it than I do.
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Karma
Feb 2, 2005 2:37:55 GMT -5
Post by Colour of Art on Feb 2, 2005 2:37:55 GMT -5
Yes, Saiyatrunks...I *believe* you are correct in the thought that karma has something to do with reincarnation. Which begins to make the case that if one is to believe in or even fairly discuss karma, that they at least for the sake of argument discuss karma from the standpoint of cyclical time with perpetual existence.
That view does not dole out judgement or reward based on what u did, or who you are neccesarily, but based on how well you fulfilled your role(dharma). In many societies pain and suffering are not to be avoided, but to be survived/persevered.
Pimpsomethinetc, remember that in many societies and civilizations, people approach life in different ways. Namely, in a number of cultures, life is viewed as the greatest gift possible. Life is in a sense a form of divinity or gift from the creator. life differentiates us from dirt, sand, rocks, etc...while humanity is what differentiates us from grass, trees, mice, cats, deer, etc.... In this light, regardless of circumstance or social locale, a person is blessed with the greater gifts of existence, life, and humanity. People suffer what u would prolly call horrible, painful existence, without commiting suicide or escaping(for a variety of reasons but), and this is on the primordeal sense of gratitude and value of existsence. When looking at one's social suffering and locale, in the context of "they may never have had a chance to exist with humanity" one's social location becomes less important. And then if you add to that, the ability of existential mobility based on fulfilment of dharma and reincarnation...suddenly life is worth living within this life. Also pimpsomethinetc, i think you kinda missed the point of one of my comments, because of your examples, the point is, kharma is not able to be judged by simply looking at "what you've had or gone through." There are often ways of looking at one's life, and through revelation.....one discern's their kharma, and its entirely impossible to truly evaluate someone elses kharma by looking at their social acquisitions.... also...the whole thing about reincarnation and not knowing what u did in previous lives, etc etc etc etc well, a lot of that deals with revelation....to understand things of the pneuma you are required to introspect and gain different levels of enlightenment/revelation. life is a gift, enlightment is earned, etc etc
i am not proposing all or most of this is true or factual, but am giving discussion based on the perspective of karma...im saying that is the discussion topic...
interesting perspective saiyatrunks of connecting God's judgement and divine justice with karma....basically i think that is a pluralistic way to view karma interreligiously.....but anyhow...
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Karma
Feb 2, 2005 9:17:51 GMT -5
Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on Feb 2, 2005 9:17:51 GMT -5
I don`t understand your logic Colour. I feel as if it doesn`t address those innocent deaths, and doesn`t apply to anybody but people who believe in it. I can`t evaluate the lives taken in the Tsunami (or even comprehend the amount of lives) but a good deal of people died. I`ll bet money half of them didn`t have it coming, with regards to what happened in this life or what may have happened in the last. I don`t believe that everybody who lives in the flooded cities and villiages would think to themselves 'Yeah, I probably deserve this'. At least not all of them. Or half of them. Did they not fulfill their roles? I see how your description of Karma fits into Buddhist beliefs, regarding the individual Buddhist who is thinking about his or her Karma at any particular moment (What's interesting is that Buddhists have other beliefs that support Karma, so it`s gonna make sense), but I don`t understand how your description of Karma fits into the lives of everybody else, especially those who live good and get bad and vice versa. And it happens. I think, to promote good mental health and save your sanity, it`s better to assume life isn`t fair than to believe in Karma. Because in reality, life just isn`t fair, and I think almost everybody (including Buddhists, including those who see unfortunate events as a chance to grow) would nod agreeingly at the notion. On that note, liberation for all living beings is a fruitless effort. Cause shit happens.
"The good die young, in the hood where I`m from/ I only got one question to that, why the fuck am I here?/ I look to the air, ask God love me, please/ But in reality, only people that hug me is thieves" ~ Jay-Z
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