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Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on May 25, 2005 8:08:08 GMT -5
Does infinity exist? Can it exist in reality or only in abstract thought? Can something be infinately small? Is the universe infinately large (since theoretically there`s nothing bigger)? Is time infinate (and who says time started at the big bang? Sounds like malarky to me...)?
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Kurdt Cobain
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if i dont believe in myself would that be blasphemy?
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Post by Kurdt Cobain on May 25, 2005 18:13:35 GMT -5
well, assuming what we think to know so far, space has to be infinite, since there can be no other than either matter or no matter in the spheres that life can exist
what is basical when talking about more complicated physical theories about reality is that the laws of physics do only apply in our dimension and inf the parallel dimensions of ours. assuming that this reality is about what the laws of physics tell, it has to be infinite, because it consists of both existence and inexistence.... also in a universe of matter if there was a border at which matter ended, it would be followed by infinite nothingness...
the biggest problem here is that the way we think is fixed to our reality and our views of it so there might be finity to our universe... that no one can tell...
i'm freakin fuckiin tired
cheers
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Post by Makku on May 26, 2005 0:12:14 GMT -5
Kage, you already know my theories on time and reality.
However, I haven't said anything about the subject of infinity. Something can be infinite, merely by perception, because none have ventured far enough to see the end (if there is one), so it is automatically assumed to be never-ending (i.e, the universe.) Nothing is without an end, as far as I can tell.
Kurdt. Fail for theories (and being high while typing--yes, I can tell), but win for avatar. Snake Pliskin fucking r0x.
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Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on May 26, 2005 7:16:09 GMT -5
I wonder if there is anything outside the universe for one. Maybe there isn`t nothingness; maybe it`s something inconceivable and our universe with our physics and our forms of matter and energy are within it. Unfortunately we can theorize about the edge of the universe and give what we think is probable but it may not be true (and that`s a little annoying).
Because reality consists of 'existence' and 'inexistence' as you say, who's to say that either of them are infinate? Infact, I have quickly come to the conclusion that if there are both, none of them can be infinate.
Light=existence, Dark=inexistence = A dark universe with a light on cannot be infinately dark (unless there is no light).
Do it vice versa and play around with other polar opposites.
So it follows that our universe isn`t infinate because there is, as you say Kurdt, something other than it - your 'infinate' nothingness outside of the universe. From the get go I don`t know how something infinate could be contained within something else anyway.
As for something being infinate meerly by perception... I could see if you used the word 'seeming', but how IS something infinate if we percieve it to be? How many grains of sand on a three mile stretch of beach? A lot, and I bet most people would say so because they can see the beaches limit. How many grains of sand are in the whole world? While many might say it`s infinate, the planet is just another limiting feature of sands seeming infinacy. Yet nobody has come close to counting all the sand.
One half of infinity equals infinity. What could possibly be infinate? All I can think of right now is the number zero, but it`s too early in the morning to really think about it. I guess it makes sense to suppose a box with no oranges in it has infinately zero oranges inside.
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Post by Makku on May 26, 2005 11:44:06 GMT -5
To imply that the box has infinitely no oranges in it would dictate that the state would be unchanging. I'm sure someone has an orange they could drop in there.
Nothing goes from infinite to finite. Doesn't happen.
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Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on May 26, 2005 12:54:01 GMT -5
Naturally, as one would, I was considering an instant in which there are no oranges in a box, not a timeline. Fuckin` smart ass Surely at the time the box has no oranges in it, there are no oranges in the box. I wonder, if time and space are infinate, how we can measure portions of it if nothing goes from infinate to finate.
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Ratatosk
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Post by Ratatosk on May 26, 2005 13:20:31 GMT -5
Infinity is a tough concept to even imagine, needless to say. I constantly try to picture infinity and it doesn't happen. Except for that one time....I blacked out shortly afterwards. However, as pertaining to mathematics, there is possibly a way to explain it. Zero, and the inverse of zero, all of it inbetween, and outside, at the same time, all at once. And no, the inverse of zero is not zero. There is only one zero on a number line. Basically, just the inverse of zero. Whatever that is. My thoughts.
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Post by Makku on May 26, 2005 16:49:50 GMT -5
Heh.
There are not "infinitely" no oranges in the box. What you're looking for is an absolution-- "There are absolutely no oranges in the box" or "There are definately no oranges in the box".
"My love for you is infinite" Does that simply mean, if truthfully spoken, that the infinite love exists simply in the moment, not on a long-term scale (time), or that it would apply to a timeline? Infinite, when used correctly, applies to all aspects of an object or idea. Time, space, etc etc. I know, it's a corny example-- but I figured you'd be able to relate.
EDIT:
I've already stated, Time and Space are not infinite. Both illusions-- passing spatial illusions.
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Post by Makku on May 26, 2005 23:27:32 GMT -5
[Makku] So no reply? No concession to my greatness? [Kage Bunshin no Jutsu] I was gonna reply saying good job [Makku] ^_^; [Kage Bunshin no Jutsu] Hunt the operative word =P [Makku] XD [Makku] Well, why not? [Kage Bunshin no Jutsu] Nobody else does [Makku] Heh. [Makku] True. [Makku] You know. [Makku] I could just paste everything you said and post it at DOA. [Makku] XD As a concession, TO MY GREATNESS! [Kage Bunshin no Jutsu] You could =) [Makku] Aight, I'll do that. XD
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Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on May 26, 2005 23:53:05 GMT -5
[Makku] No witty reply in Inifinity yet, man? [Makku] Been waitin' on it. [Kage Bunshin no Jutsu] I don`t write witty replies =P [Makku] Whatever. XD [Kage Bunshin no Jutsu] I agree with you. Infact noticed my error during my last post [Makku] REMEMBER KIDS-- IF YOU CAN HOLD YOUR HAND OVER AN OPEN FLAME, YOU ARE GREAT! * Makku chuckles [Kage Bunshin no Jutsu] He he he [Makku] I'm gonna laugh every time I see that for a while to come. XD [Makku] So no reply? No concession to my greatness? [Kage Bunshin no Jutsu] I was gonna reply saying good job [Makku] ^_^; [Kage Bunshin no Jutsu] Hunt the operative word =P [Makku] XD [Makku] Well, why not? [Kage Bunshin no Jutsu] Nobody else does [Makku] Heh. [Makku] True. [Makku] You know. [Makku] I could just paste everything you said and post it at DOA. [Makku] XD As a concession, TO MY GREATNESS! [Kage Bunshin no Jutsu] You could =) [Makku] Aight, I'll do that. [Kage Bunshin no Jutsu] But to be a bigger ego than the biggest ego? [Kage Bunshin no Jutsu] Well, if you wish... =P [Makku] XD [Makku] Posted. *chuckles*
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Post by godsrighthand on May 27, 2005 14:43:55 GMT -5
Proving infinity is like proving God it cannot be done all at conclusively. You may state your belief on the subject that you made with the facts you have at hand. But it still remains just your belief. (A belief shared by others also does not make it a fact.)
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Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on May 27, 2005 21:24:21 GMT -5
You should post on the knowledge thread.
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Post by godsrighthand on May 29, 2005 13:39:58 GMT -5
Perhaps but it applies in this situation as well.
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Post by Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch on Jun 22, 2005 9:57:36 GMT -5
Indeed. I think a belief made by the facts at hand is closer to the truth than a belief made by nothing. However, I understand the possibility of overwhelming and unknown evidence against what beliefs we may create.
Looking at Makkus love post, maybe infinity is man made, and then, why can`t it exist? Is love (if it were calculable) more than no one has ever loved before or could ever love again infinate? Hmmm... I`m thinking no cause, if it were calculable (my belief is that everything is), you`d be able to measure other love up against it and see how much the two differed. Sounds like I`m back to one of the basic problems with infinity; halving, dividing, adding and multiplying it. Only more of what I would call proof against it.
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Post by Makku on Jun 22, 2005 15:25:06 GMT -5
Exactly. This arguement can go nowhere, because those attempting to disprove are providing fuel to the belief that such exists, and those who believe in it are contributing to the contrary.
Very strange.
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