The Convo Thread

[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch]

I haven`t had a conversation like this (a thoughtful conversation) in a long time, so I thought I`d share it with you guys (well, parade it around cause I`m glad I can still think after all the weed). Maybe you can get more of a feel for what I`m about with regard to my search for knowledge and truth, and how I think others should go about seeking it. Maybe you guys can share some of your own if or when you have them, or feel free to comment on what is discussed here.

Looking at it from a debate perspective, I lost. But it wasn`t a debate, so... yah. I don`t even take part in debates

I think we`re all adult enough not to track down, hassle or heckle other participants in the convos right? Good.

(0:01) [LBoogie] that's a carzy yet hilarious name
(0:01) [LBoogie] *crzy
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] He he, thanks
(22:33) [LBoogie] huh?
(22:33) [LBoogie] Thanks for what?
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] For complimenting my crazy yet hilarious name
(22:35) [LBoogie] oh
(22:35) [LBoogie] hehe
(22:35) [LBoogie] no prob
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I noticed you have a lot of files pertaining to the bible...
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I ask you, what do you think of the current state of affairs?
(22:39) [LBoogie] what do u mean?
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] With regard to the world
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] It is in crisis after all
(22:40) [LBoogie] the world is the world
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Bush... =\
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] He he, aiight, just asking =)
(22:43) [LBoogie] sorry
(22:43) [LBoogie] holding 3-5 conversations at once
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] That`s cool
(22:44) [LBoogie] don't really trip off of Bush..ain't n othing I can really do about it
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] As true as it is, you must have an opinion surely
(22:45) [LBoogie] naw
(22:45) [LBoogie] I don't really know him or much about him
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I ask because I saw the bible files, and a lot of the book refers to todays world
(22:45) [LBoogie] yeah
(22:46) [LBoogie] About the world meaning those who don't know CHRIST and what goes on
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Well, the bible refers to Christians too
(22:47) [LBoogie] yeah
(22:47) [LBoogie] fa'sho
(22:48) [LBoogie] those who are struggling in their walks with CHRIST
(22:48) [LBoogie] and those who are strong
(22:49) [LBoogie] right now, I think I'm one of those who was strong but at some point became weak and am now trying to stay encouraged in the faith although it's tough
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Why is it hard to keep your faith?
(22:53) [LBoogie] get discouraged by situations and people's comments
(22:55) [LBoogie] and it's not like it happened once or twice...this has been happening my whole entire life and it's very frustrating
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Yup
(22:56) [LBoogie] but I know that I gotta keep the faith and continue to strive for what's right regardless as to others actions
(22:56) [LBoogie] otherwise I'm responsible no matter what
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Faith isn`t too important
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Not to me anyway
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I don`t know what the bible says about it
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I know somewhere God condemns nonbelievers or something
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I hold righteousness in high regard
(23:00) [LBoogie] yeah, but not to be mean though
(23:00) [LBoogie] it's just a consequence that comes with doubting
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Whats a consequence?
(23:00) [LBoogie] I guess I'm guilty of doubt when I get discouraged
(23:01) [LBoogie] a consequence is like a result basically
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] He he, I know
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I was asking what you were talking about
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] But doubting...
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I personally think it`s a good idea
(23:01) [LBoogie] ohhh
(23:01) [LBoogie] my bad
(23:01) [LBoogie] hehe
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I dunno what the bible says
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Doubting Thomas is all I`ve heard of it, and I only know him by name
(23:02) [LBoogie] The consequence of doubting is death(seperation from GOD spiritually). That's what Hell is. Hell is seperation from GOD.
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] But I see doubting as a suspense of belief for the prying of furthur options in aid of the seeking of truth
(23:03) [LBoogie] huh?
(23:03) [LBoogie] (you got all smart and scientific on me..hehe)
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] He he he
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] If you walk down one road, you won`t know what`s down the other
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] If you don`t doubt, you don`t care
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] But what if you`re on the wrong road?
(23:05) [LBoogie] well, you can know what's down the other by weighing the pro's and con's and by stating the obvious
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] If you check both roads, You`ll know the one to go down and the one to avoid
(23:05) [LBoogie] certain atmosphere's develop certain climates and in those climates you know what will be produced
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] You see the road of God and that of the wicked?
(23:06) [LBoogie] yeah
(23:07) [LBoogie] I know what the road of CHRIST leads to and I know what the road of Satan leads to
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I don`t see it as 2 roads
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] But I`m not Christian
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Not "Christian" Christian
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I believe the search for truth can never be unrightous, even in Gods eyes
(23:08) [LBoogie] CHRIST= Life and peace Satan=Death, destruction, misery
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Because, if God is the truth, you`ll find him eventually
(23:10) [LBoogie] well , it depends on the individual
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] If you search in earnest
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] My life is knowledge
(23:10) [LBoogie] yeah
* Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch shrugs
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] It just makes sense to me
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Learn everything and the wrong and right will make itself clear
(23:12) [LBoogie] What do you mean by "learn everything"?
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] But without doubt, one would follow the first path he`s on
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Well, not EVERYTHING, but as much as I can
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] The good and the bad
(23:12) [LBoogie] ok
(23:12) [LBoogie] hehe
(23:12) [LBoogie] yeah
(23:12) [LBoogie] I feel you
(23:12) [LBoogie] Everybody has some doubt
(23:13) [LBoogie] and I think the trials we go through help us to overcome the doubt
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] He he he
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] You sound like someone I know
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I feel like I`m the only person who embraces doubt
(23:14) [LBoogie] hehe
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I`m not Christian, but once I`m conviced beyond a reasonable doubt, I`ll shrug my doubt off my shoulders
(23:14) [LBoogie] what do you mean by embracing doubt? Like, accepting your doubt and then tryin gto come up with a solution to overcome it?
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Nope
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I appreciate that doubt is a valuable learning tool
(23:15) [LBoogie] ohhh
(23:16) [LBoogie] okay
(23:16) [LBoogie] yeah I agree
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Muslims follow Islam, Christians follow Christianity; which one is right?
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Ask either and they`ll say them
(23:16) [LBoogie] not really
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Doesn`t it make sense to study Islam as a Christian?
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Or to study science?
(23:17) [LBoogie] Muslim said that the Quran was 97% correct
(23:17) [LBoogie] I was like what!!!
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Why not? If you`re right, you`re right
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] That doesn`t mean much... how much of the bible is 'correct'?
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] God REcreating man?
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] The Elohim?
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] 3 differing accounts of Jesus' return?
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] =)
(23:18) [LBoogie] I wouldn't study Islam because it would only cause confusion within your mind. That's all the devil wants to do, is confuse the truth to make you doubt GOD and eventually seperate you from Him (CHRIST)
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Muslims believe in god too
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] So do the Jewish
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] They read the Old Testament
(23:20) [LBoogie] Keyword: GOD they aren;t acknowledging that CHRIST is who He said He was.
(23:20) [LBoogie] anything can be a god
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I find with Christians and others devout to their beliefs a refusal to learn about others... =\
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] That`s true
(23:20) [LBoogie] yeah
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] But why?
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Do you know why?
(23:21) [LBoogie] because it's easy to get confused
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] And why do you believe in Christ?
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] What makes you so sure you`re right and they`re wrong?
(23:21) [LBoogie] Satan plays mind games and by one reading something such as the Quran it could become an opening for the devil to play even more mid games then he already plays
(23:22) [LBoogie] Because of what I've experienced and what the LORD has shown me personally
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Do you not trust the lord enough to guide you through it?
(23:22) [LBoogie] about Himself
(23:23) [LBoogie] yeah I do...but sometimes I get caught up in the flesh and fall victim to sin again. Which is my fault.
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Has not the lord set a path before you already?
(23:23) [LBoogie] I should trust the LORD as you say and as He has told me. He's brought me through soooo much and it's a shame that I sometimes forget what He's done for me.
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] He knows what`s coming
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] He knows your future
(23:24) [LBoogie] I thank GOD for you telling me this becuase He's waking me up to better me.
(23:24) [LBoogie] yeah, that's true
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] This is his world; what`s wrong with exploring it?
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] With god in your heart, what can defeat you?
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Or turn you away from the light?
(23:25) [LBoogie] Nothing cna defeat me with CHRIST in my heart.
(23:25) [LBoogie] unless I allow it to.
(23:26) [LBoogie] Thanks bro. I really needed this.
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] He he, no prob
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] I`m trying to steer you in a different direction though =D
(23:26) [LBoogie] This is a wake-up call for me.
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] But, no prob =D
(23:26) [LBoogie] To really think about all that CHRIST has done and who He is to me.
(23:27) [LBoogie] I shouldn't let my situation discourage nor the people around me.
(23:27) [LBoogie] I gotta go
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] He he, aiight then
(23:27) [LBoogie] but Thanks and I'll see you later bro
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Stay in good faith =)
[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Bye
(23:28) [LBoogie] alright
(23:29) [LBoogie] okay
(23:29) [LBoogie] bye
(23:29) [LBoogie]

[Ancient Goddess]

Hmm...

There's a lot of things I disagree with in this convo. But, I'll acknowledge religion is one of the most controversial and argued about items and wisely keep my mouth shut over the minor things and give my opinion about the big picture.

Christian religion to me is not about getting into heaven or hell...at least I believe it shouldn't be centered on where you're going in the afterlife. Your final destination is just a reward/consequence for items you believe in and live by. Faith, while important, shouldn't be a factor in deciding what you'll get in the end, in my opinion. I don't believe people will go to hell simply because they don't believe in God. People in third-world countries have never had any exposure to God or Christ...does that mean they'll automatically go to hell? I don't believe that.

God and the Devil to me are one and the same...my reasoning for that is a very long one, and I really don't feel like typing it out now. But in a nutshell, the Devil is God's darkside and gives Christians a thing to fear and compels them into doing things the 'right' way. In the Bible, the devil was the archangel, Lucifer. If God is all-knowing and knows every outcome, why would He allow the devil into heaven? He would know that Lucifer would turn evil. Also, He casts Lucifer into the depths of hell...and since God has made everything, He would also have to have made hell itself. That's why I don't believe there's a difference. You get sent to hell in the end, you deal with God's darkside...you go to heaven, you're on his good side. That's what I believe. This is why I don't really believe in the whole "seperation from God" theory and "The Devil made me do it" type things I'm seeing in this convo.

But, as I said, religion is a touchy subject for most people. No one's ever really right or wrong until the end and everything becomes clear. There are theories that will knock other theories out of the water and so forth...

Btw..karma point for Kage for at least encouraging someone to better themselves. =)

[Sephiroth Kaizen]

Okay, I'm going to pick out a couple parts that caught my attention and respond to them.

[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] Why is it hard to keep your faith?
(22:53) [LBoogie] get discouraged by situations and people's comments
(22:55) [LBoogie] and it's not like it happened once or twice...this has been happening my whole entire life and it's very frustrating

It's easy to get distracted with people's comments and actions. I'm sure any believer finds it easier to be discouraged by those who claim to be righteous than those who don't care either way. I have witnessed a girl attempting to embarrass our pastor in front of everyone because he wouldn't let her get in the pulpit to hand out an award to someone in the pews. See someone behave like that makes me think "These people think they're right with GOD but they act like this?" But to be discouraged is common, normal and expected. I'm not going to be the one to say whether it's wrong or not. It's human nature. There were only a small amount of people who held fast in GOD regardless of what went on around them, some being Jesus, Job... (I wouldn't say the disciples because even the disciples doubted Jesus and his words).

(23:02) [LBoogie] The consequence of doubting is death(seperation from GOD spiritually). That's what Hell is. Hell is seperation from GOD.

True, the consequence of doubting is death. This is why we have to study the Bible, pray and strengthen your spirit. When your spirit is strengthened through a close and personal relationship with GOD then doubting Him and his abilities becomes a non-issue.
Hell is not separation from GOD. We were born in sin, meaning we were born separated from GOD. The only people who have ever known what it's like to be completely in the spirit and have GOD with them all the time is Jesus, Adam and Eve. One thing that people fail to understand is this:
GOD is a completely pure and perfect being. When Adam and Eve were given dominion over Earth and all that's in it, GOD, Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the angels visited Adam and Eve on a regular basis. Pure beings can mingle with pure beings. After Adam and Eve fell from glory, GOD could no longer be among them physically. A pure being would completely obliterate something unclean. Where sin abounds, GOD cannot be, which is why we have to work hard to become as close to sinless as possible.
Now, back to Hell (lol). Hell is the penalty for refusing to follow GOD. And contrary to the church's popular teachings, no one is in hell now. Everyone who has died is in a deep 'sleep' (for lack of better term). No one is rewarded or punished until the Second Coming of Christ. Also, no one burns in hell forever. Everyone is punished according to their sins. So if you stole something before you died, then you may only burn for... 5 years. But you definitely don't burn forever.

[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch] That doesn`t mean much... how much of the bible is 'correct'?

I like this comment. Mainly because it is something very close to what's brought up quite often. People like to discredit the Bible simply because it was written by the hands of man. What most don't understand is that GOD instructed the writer of the Bible in what to say. If anyone tried to change the Bible while writing it, then they were in violation of GOD's instruction, therefore killed. So with that in mind (and I'll give you a scripture for that when I find it... I don't have my Bible handy at the moment but I don't want to lose my train of thought), we look at the many different versions of the Bible we have today. There's King James, New King James, NIV, etc. The 'new' versions of the Bible have been tainted by the hands of man since they usually have their own agenda for rewriting the Bible. Some versions of the Bible have verses completely taken out while others have the verses removed in footnotes. For example, if you have a NIV version, the Matthew 17:21 has been completely removed. In NASV, Matthew 23:14 has been removed. In NKJV, Luke 23:17 has been taken away in footnote. The only remotely accurate Bible that can be found is the King James Version (and by all means, look this up for yourself).
Also, the Bible is correct depending on the person's comprehension and hidden intentions. We all like to look up to our pastors, ministers, rabbi, whoever and believe that they're telling us what is right. But for the love of GOD, have we ever looked at the Bible for ourselves to see if what the pastor is saying lines up with the Bible? For example, pastors teach us to keep the commandments, honor your parents, tell the truth, etc. But why do some pastors completely disregard the Fourth Commandment? Now that is something that's still in the Bible, but isn't touched upon on any First Day churches whatsoever.

What is the Fourth Commandment?
Exodus 20:8 - Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.

What exactly is the Sabbath?
According to the Bible, the Sabbath day is the seventh day of the week, which is to be honored. Just as the LORD made everything in six days and rested the seventh, we are supposed to do our work for the week and rest on the seventh day.

In Exodus 20:9 - 11 it explains exactly how we are to observe this Sabbath day.
"Six days shalt thou labor and do all thy work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your GOD. In it thou shall not do any work; thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thou manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates. For in six days the LORD made the heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."

So technically, the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week. The seventh day of the week is Saturday. This means, from sundown on Friday to sundown Saturday (which was the literal days back in Biblical times) we are to rest, spend no money, do no work. Yes, we can study the Word, this much is expected. Anyway, but why is it that something as important as the Sabbath has been completely ignored and moved? The Sabbath has been changed from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week (Sunday) and not only that, but after people get out of church, they don't go home and rest, they go to the mall, go out to brunch/breakfast, whathaveyou. But pastors who are supposed to know the Word of GOD don't share it or follow it. Yet people blindly follow them and assume they know all. Following what one person says is true can get us a first class ticket to hell.

This brings me to my next point:
Kage, you have every right to doubt what you're being told. This is why you have to study the Word for yourself so that you cannot be told the wrong thing and led off the path to righteousness.

Now I am not one to spew out stuff like this and not practice what I preach (outside my dirty mouth). I am a Seventh-Day Adventist. One of the main things we do is observe the Sabbath on the day it was told for us to observe. This is why I never go over AnG's house on a Saturday until sundown (I know you probably wondered wth was up with that, AnG, LOL).

Ahem, and Satan is considered the prince of this system, along with prince of lies, etc. After he and his angels were cast out of heaven, he was sent to earth where he tempted Eve then Adam and thus has spent his entire time here attempting to make mankind fall. The devil already knows his fate when it comes to dealing with GOD. He's already lost the fight but now his main goal is to take as many lost souls with him to Hell as possible. The Devil knows there's a God (c'mon, he was an angel... the 4th known being in the history of time, he's been in the presence of GOD) but he's trying to convince every one of us that there isn't a GOD, that GOD will forsake you, or that doubting GOD is perfectly okay. The Devil knows every trick in the book to get us to fall, he knows all of our strengths and weaknesses and he plays these against us in an effort to discredit GOD.

Okay, my reply is now officially longer than yours and this definitely wasn't my intention. If you have anymore questions, make sure you ask. I have no problem with answering.

[nori]

religion is just for feel good factor and/or failsafe to get into a "better place"....
there is only one better place infact,
and thats my bedroom so religion can smoke my balls.

[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch]

There's a lot of things I disagree with in this convo. But, I'll acknowledge religion is one of the most controversial and argued about items and wisely keep my mouth shut over the minor things and give my opinion about the big picture.

What a cop out That`s not the way to do things! SPEAKTH THOU MINDSET ANCIENT, AND LET US SEEK THE DIVINE TRUTH TOGETHER!

What most don't understand is that GOD instructed the writer of the Bible in what to say. If anyone tried to change the Bible while writing it, then they were in violation of GOD's instruction, therefore killed.

Lets see that scripture

I`m in agreement with most of what`s been said, although it`s not all my opinion.

(On a sidenote, I`ve always been of the impression that Monday was the beginning of the week, though I`m fully aware that others say Sunday. I wonder where we one may find closure on this...)

[Sephiroth Kaizen]

LOL, for the beginning of the week comment, look at your calendar and tell me what's the first day of the week.

Anyway, the scripture:
Revalation 22:18 - 19
Fo I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

^^ There ya go, Kage. Basically the book of life is what says you are able to live beside GOD in heaven. If your name is not within the book, then you will experience damnation.

AnG, it's a complicated thing to try and explain. Think about it this way:
GOD has always been described as loving, non-forceful, patient, giver of free will ... among other things. Of course GOD knew what Lucifer would do and what would happen to man if he continued with Creation, but if GOD said "No, I know what's going to happen, therefore I won't create this angel/man/whatever." Then he's basically settingly to be named a tyrant.
Lucifer was the fourth being in the history of time (GOD -> Jesus -> Holy Spirit -> Lucifer). Lucifer was the most beautiful creature GOD had created, he was also the highest choir of angel (basically the choir conductor). When Lucifer found out about what GOD intended on doing with creating Man, he wanted to get in on the action and do some creating as well. When GOD said the created cannot do creating, Lucifer became bitter and enraged because GOD would not allow this. Lucifer, angered by this began to tell the angels GOD was a tyrant, unfair, etc. GOD gave Lucifer and the angels a certain amount of time to repent for his actions, which Lucifer refused. After time passed, there was a "war" over heaven. Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels were cast out of heaven.

Now why didn't GOD just blot Lucifer out of existence to shut him up and avoid the rebellion?
If GOD blinked Lucifer out of existence, Lucifer would've proven that GOD was indeed a tyrant and that regardless of free will, we were ultimately forced to do what GOD wanted us to do.

BTW, AnG, I do like how your view on dealing with GOD's dark side. I never thought of it that way. Personally, I find myself thinking if GOD knew that Satan was going to make Man fall, why would he continue with his plan? Mainly because if he stopped his plan then Lucifer still would've won. Sometimes I feel like humans are just pawns in a sick game. But hey, that's me. O.o

[digininja]

Some religions scare me.

They seem like a good things, and they help a an awful lot of people. But they also make some people do really scary things...

This is your brain: A sometimes brutal collection of survival mechanisms instincts, social conditioning and reflexes fine-tuned to allow you to acquire and hoard resources and produce offsppring.

This is your brain on God: Exactly the same, although now you feel that everything you do is divinely sanctified.

This is what I would call very dangerous thinking.

[Makku]

Usually a thread like this would get me all up in arms about HONK HONK HONKABONKN BONK BONK

I really don't have anything to say. Not a damned thing.

[godsrighthand]

What about cults? Make up your religion as you go along. LOL

[nori]

now that sounds like my kind of religion.
going out and being all like yeaaaaaah
and only dealing with shit when it turns up
making it up as you go along is excatly the same thing all religions did at the start before they became all, i art thou holier than yao n shit.
i think the idea of only dealing with god when he turns up is also a god idea.
religions should drop there hole "god wants you to do such and such" bullshit, if god wants me to do that he can come fucking over and tell me to my face, not get some fucking dude who likes touching young boys and who calls drinking red wine from some over gloryfied metal cup divine to tell me to fucking do it.
if god does exsist which i throughly fucking doubt hes a fucking tard, for just doin nothing and sending some bloke from the heavens 2000 years ago when we had a problem with some fucking latino shits who had big partehs and orgies (sound like fucking cool guys to me) and killed a few people.
boo fucking hoo its happend through out time, and will always happen.
so why fucking send him down to earth then? when all they had was fucking bows arrows and fucking trebuches n shit when we got assholes blowing up trains and buses left right and centre, dudes walking round war torn countrys giving guns to kids and sending them out to do guerilla shit...
wheres your fucking god now eh?


Footnote : this is why i dont usually come into deep thoughts.
too much bullshit about something we can only think about, nothing we can grasp in our hands and say fuck yeah this is such and such, here it is, IN MY HANDS.
gimme raptor jesus anyday....

Modifyd :
well slsk just spam bann'd me so i actually read all that nonsense youve all been spurting

sk you say that god cast lucifer out of heaven due to him wanting to create aswell.
i have heard different, im saying niether are true due to my beliefs but if you believe what some stuck up little parish f*g**ts been telling you, in a sense you must also believe what i am saying (who tha fuck says im not commanded by god or sumthing eh?) sorry if ive been brutal so far, and im probebly gonna get worse be giving you all shit about what you all believe and what you have been told to believe.
okay back to religion slagging
well from what i have read, including antoine de whatsits face (head of the satanists church) satanist bible. im not accrediting this part to that certain book but it has come up many times in writngs ive skipped through.
lucifer wished to create the "perfect form" or perfect being, god didnt want any of this and told lucifer he wanted them to do things on their own, and to be of free will, to decide for themselves which is good and bad and to learn.
(if a being is already perfect, then how can they learn? or do anything they wish? they couldnt because they wouldnt be able to, not in the programming yer see) so that is why lucifer was cast from heaven, due to a disagreement with god.
also you state that god, the spirit blah blah and JESUS(being the active ingredient) went and checked up on adam and eve everyso often for a cup of tea, make sure they were mowing the lawns and such like.
how could jesus the son of god exist before he exsisted?
also you say only those that are pure could connect or talk to god, and only adam and eve were pure right?

well if only the pure could connect with god which totally rules humans out, how could god tell the dudes to write that book for him? he couldnt.
and you also say that god made man create the bible in his own words, in the way that he wanted. and if any of them tried to change anything they were killed and such.
well you also say that people have changed the bible and wrote it into there own words for there own gains, along with missing bits and such.
i didnt hear of any recent bible makers getting smited? did you? didnt think so

ill add some other stuffs when i can be bothered but for the moment just sit and think to yerselfs, "holy fly fuck batman, leo actually thinks, well not actually thinks but just swears alot and rips apart what people say"

[Sephiroth Kaizen]

religions should drop there hole "god wants you to do such and such" bullshit, if god wants me to do that he can come fucking over and tell me to my face, not get some fucking dude who likes touching young boys and who calls drinking red wine from some over gloryfied metal cup divine to tell me to fucking do it.

o.O You don't only have to talk to Catholic priests to get the Word, nori... you know that, right?

Besides, God doesn't force anyone to do anything. He allows you to make your own decisions through the gift of free will and free thought. This is why God won't come in your face and tell you what to do. If He forced you to do something, then he'd be a tyrant, thus proving Satan right.

if god does exsist which i throughly fucking doubt hes a fucking tard, for just doin nothing and sending some bloke from the heavens 2000 years ago when we had a problem with some fucking latino shits who had big partehs and orgies (sound like fucking cool guys to me) and killed a few people.
boo fucking hoo its happend through out time, and will always happen.
so why fucking send him down to earth then? when all they had was fucking bows arrows and fucking trebuches n shit when we got assholes blowing up trains and buses left right and centre, dudes walking round war torn countrys giving guns to kids and sending them out to do guerilla shit...
wheres your fucking god now eh?

Um... I actually have no idea what you're talking about here...

sk you say that god cast lucifer out of heaven due to him wanting to create aswell.
i have heard different, im saying niether are true due to my beliefs but if you believe what some stuck up little parish f*g**ts been telling you, in a sense you must also believe what i am saying (who tha fuck says im not commanded by god or sumthing eh?) sorry if ive been brutal so far, and im probebly gonna get worse be giving you all shit about what you all believe and what you have been told to believe.

Okay, before there's any further misunderstanding, I'm not Catholic. I don't go anywhere near a Catholic church. I don't agree with one damn thing the Catholic church teaches. Also, I don't simply believe what anyone tells me. I am not a very trusting person. I find that whenever something doesn't seem right, I do the research for myself in order to come to a conclusion that seems intelligent. I'm not saying everything I write is true and that you have to believe me. What I'm saying is what I've learned and what I believe to be true. If you don't believe me, then that's on you. By all means, please do the research yourself to come to your own conclusion. I suggest everyone do their own research.

lucifer wished to create the "perfect form" or perfect being, god didnt want any of this and told lucifer he wanted them to do things on their own, and to be of free will, to decide for themselves which is good and bad and to learn.
(if a being is already perfect, then how can they learn? or do anything they wish? they couldnt because they wouldnt be able to, not in the programming yer see) so that is why lucifer was cast from heaven, due to a disagreement with god.

God didn't want Lucifer creating the "perfect form" because no created being can create anything. Even now, man cannot 'create' anything outside of life. Everything else has been found/acquired and manipulated into something different. Lucifer did not have any power to create life. His soul purprose was to create music and since being cast out of Heaven, his job hasn't changed. Perfect beings don't have to learn anything, you're right. They already know everything. Lucifer did not have to be taught anything, nor did Adam and Eve. But Lucifer was created as perfectly as he could be without God creating Himself and you know what? Lucifer knows there's a God... that's why he's running around like a fool.

also you state that god, the spirit blah blah and JESUS(being the active ingredient) went and checked up on adam and eve everyso often for a cup of tea, make sure they were mowing the lawns and such like.

Um... Adam and Eve didn't do hard labor. The only labor they did was tending the Garden of Eden. Man didn't have a need for hard labor until they sinned. Otherwise sitting around vegging out was okay.

how could jesus the son of god exist before he exsisted?

... I don't think I said anything about Jesus existing before God. God was first, then God manifested himself through Jesus and the Holy Spirit. The fourth being was Lucifer.

also you say only those that are pure could connect or talk to god, and only adam and eve were pure right?

well if only the pure could connect with god which totally rules humans out, how could god tell the dudes to write that book for him? he couldnt.
and you also say that god made man create the bible in his own words, in the way that he wanted. and if any of them tried to change anything they were killed and such.
well you also say that people have changed the bible and wrote it into there own words for there own gains, along with missing bits and such.
i didnt hear of any recent bible makers getting smited? did you? didnt think so

God can speak to you through the Holy Spirit or through His angels.

When I said that God had Man write the Bible in His words, I meant specifically the original text that was written in scrolls. That was the original that could not be changed by the hands of man. The versions that came afterward are what was changed, and I'm sure God is quite pissed at them (they'll be burning in Hell soon enough) but it is more of an offense to change the original. That's like me writing a paper and you coming behind me and changing what I wrote to 'make it better' or to keep it from offending people. I'd be pissed because it wasn't your place to change it regardless of your intentions.

Usually a thread like this would've had me quite riled up, but I sorta don't care. I'll share what I know because it's my responsibility, but if you don't believe me, that's on you. Go out, do your own research and tell me what you learned. And don't just go to random sources and only sources that convey the opposite of what the Bible says. Take the time to look through the Bible and see for yourself. It's fine to not believe what's been written, many don't. All I know is that I'm not burning in Hell for someone else. We'll all have to deal with our sins, transgressions, decisions in life. Find something to believe in, or don't... we'll all have to answer to someone or something in the end.

Besides, I get the feeling that not believing in anything makes you feel angry or frustrated inside. I may be considered a fool by other people but I know I rest easy at night because I believe my problems can be fixed with a prayer... something or someone hears them.