Birth Control and Equal Rights

[godsrighthand]

I responded to Yaoi girls thread and I had posted this response in there. It's off subject and I did not want to derail her thread. So I removed it and started this thread instead.

heck, it's my womb. It's up to me."

Offensive some might state but true woman can have abortions and can make that decision whereas men don't have any realistic -equal- say in the matter. This is where equal rights breaks down between men and women entirely in my humble opinion.

Even if you do not want to argue your point lease at least leave your opinion on this matter on the survey

[Yaoi Girl]

Thank you Godsrighthand for the support on my first Deep Thoughts post.

Anyways, I seriouly agree that in the matter is mostly a woman's choice on whether or not she wants an abortion. With the number of women who end up in situations where either her or the child's health is at risk and the number of circumstances in which a child will be born into a world where it's parents can't care for it; I see it as doing everyone a favor. Can't ignore over population as well.

Now will someone kindly explain where this the males choice on whether or not a woman should get an abortion or have birth control and the like?

[godsrighthand]

If you are at all serious about giving the child a life where it's wanted and feel it can be properly provided for how can you -not- give the man the same choice?

To be stated bluntly men should have the right to have the pregnancy terminated as well as the woman.

How many stories of Dead Beat dad's have you heard of already at your age?
How many kids have fathers that are never around and want nothing to do with them?
How do you think this makes them feel growing up?

Very young children think only that the missing parent hates them or they are not loved. Understanding emotionally for them takes -years- not days.

[Ancient Goddess]

Personally, I think the decision is placed on both members. Both had a hand into creating the child, therefore both should at least have an equal say in the matter.

Yes...a woman does carry the child for 9 months, but both parties are responsible for making the child, regardless if it was an accident or not. I realize that most people probably wouldn't agree with me, but this is the way I see it. Half of the chromosomes that make up the child came from both people...it's not as if the female was the one who made the child entirely by herself...therefore, I believe both men and women should have a say whether or not the child should be aborted.

I guess I can't really vote on either choice for man or woman...and I can't vote on 'I don't know' either...

[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch]

I think babies should be aborted because of the mothers own health concerns. I also think abortion takes responsability from people and they rely on having it there if it comes to a baby. It`s for selfish desires one gives up a baby for a reason other than risking ones life... If your life isn`t working, make it work. If you can`t provide for your child as you would like to, shit, that`s life. I don`t think the man has the right to abort a child either - Imagine a man who doesn`t want it and a woman who does. wtf.

[Yaoi Girl]

My thoughts exactly, Pimpmaster.

My general idea on it is basically this; you can have an abortion that's payed for with help from some kind group if the child's life is at risk or the woman's life is at risk, if the woman is far too young have a child, if the woman if a rape victim, or if the child would be born into unlivable circumstances. Everyone else that just want an easy way out, they just have to pay a crap load of cash to get it. Meh, bad idea I know. I came up with it randomly and thought I'd throw it at you guys.

[Athildur]

Well, I voted for I don't know.
You see, although I do believe the vote of the woman weighs heavily in such cases, since she is the bearer of the child, I cannot comply that the woman shoudl have the only and final say in the matter.
If a man has through reasons not to want the child, why should it be forced upon him? Of course, he does not have to raise the child, but he will have to if he wants to remain with his love, and in terms of law, the man is still the child's father, and will have to pay for it eventually.
you can see the predicament. Both men and women have almost equal reasons to want or not want an abortion, though women do, of course, have their health issues to consider. But still, I cannot say that there should be a definate person to have the final say, but I can also not say that the man has equal rights in this, because the woman risks more with carrying a child.

In the end, people could say: you should've used some kind of protection, but that is always after the deed is done, and almost always the blame is directed at the man, while the woman has an equal responsibility to take care of those things. In fact, I'd rather a third party would decide over the matter, if the man and woman cannot come to an agreement. The third party is responsible for looking into all circumstances and considering whether the two people can indeed handle such a child or not, the most likely answer being 'no'. (because, after all, if one person does not want the child, and it would be brought into the world, it wouldnt have a very good life, wouldnt you say?)

But hey, that's my point of view on the matter. I;m sure its not entirely practical, but its my view nonetheless.

[Sephiroth Kaizen]

Okay, I'm going to type this without reading anyone else's post simply because I don't want to be influenced by anyone else's reply. My voted for "Yes" BUT, under one condition:

The father of the child may say he doesn't want the woman to have an abortion but, let's be realistic: if he has no intention on helping her with the baby at all isn't he just being selfish? So she's just supposed to have the baby and sit there with it like "Durr..."
If the guy has every intention on either taking responsibility of the baby and takes custody of the child if the mother does not want the baby, then yes, by all means, have the baby. He does have a say in it. I don't know how many times I've heard girls say the father didn't want her to have an abortion, he'd help her take care of the baby and then he disappears the day after the baby is born.

And with that said... I still sorta think the majority of the decision is up to the mother simply because she's taking a big risk by thinking a guy who isn't her husband is actually going to help take care of the baby. Child support I'd say is a good thing to go after in the event that he is or isn't helping... but still a child needs a father in their life to balance out the estrogen... seriously.

And that's my opinion.

[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch]

I think the right that we speak of is the right to abort, as opposed to the right to keep the baby, since the right to keep it is a 'natural and god given right' that women/life has, while the right to abort is more of a man made, modern and human right.

If that`s so, then the man doesn`t have a right to abort if it undermines the womans natural right to give birth to her child. If the mother doesn`t want to give birth to a baby, who can stop her? The ball is quite literally in her court.

With that said though, one could still argue that the woman doesn`t have the right to abort... hmmm... but then again that`s not the point of the thread

Anyway, I`m at the library and these feel like half assed thoughts, I`ll write some more when I get home.

[Pimpmaster McSlap-Bitch]

Mmmm, no, that`s it ;D